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  1.  
    mrmusselman

    I signed up for the A1A Marathon in Fort Lauderdale which is 3 weeks away. I have never run a marathon though I am a decent runner. My girlfriend thinks I am crazy to train for a marathon in only 3 weeks and all of the training plans I have seen allow for 16-20 weeks.

    What is the best way to train for a marathon that is 3 weeks away without training too much? I like to run and feel good.

    I just finished a 10 Mile run in 1' 30" at an average pace of 9.05 minute/mile and feel good.

    suggestions?

     

    Thanks!! 

     

     

     

  2.  
    jaredmellow
    Well with 2 weeks left you should be starting to taper... so I basically think you're are completely crazy. Do you have a strong base (as in have you been running consistantly for the past year)?
  3.  
    mrmusselman

    Jared,

     i am in pretty good shape. I run 5 miles at a time, bike 13-20 miles, do yoga,  and play softball on regular basis and am not out of shape.

    I have never run 26 miles consecutively.

    thanks, 

     

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Membertzapata
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
     
    tzapata

    my advice would be to not train too much... maybe see how you are with a 15 miler 2 weeks prior, and just run longish 6-9 milers during the week on hte days you would normally run.

     in the marathon itself, take it easy at first, chill out, and save yourself for the last half.  

     

    and good luck to you!   and your girlfriend is right!

     

  4.  
    twilighthours

    MrMusselman,

     this sounds like an invitation to serious injury.  Stress fractures at the very least.  

     Most people on this site would recommend you not run this race.  Why not try the 10K or even the 1/2 marathon?

     What's the big hurry to run this race?

  5.  
    mrmusselman

    tzapata, thanks for the advice. I probably should chill that last week. 5 miles doesnt phase me and the 10 miles I did today and last week didnt either. That said, I dont want to delude myself into thinking i am invincible either. I laughed out loud at the last sentence. I will keep that between us.

    Twilight,

    I certainly dont want to discount the fact that things like that could happen, but i am physically in great shape. I can only benchmark my performance to the last run i did and that was my 10 mile with a 9.05 minute/mile. my five milers are beginning to break 9 minutes. though this is all within the last two weeks i have had the technology to track all of this. Most people i see that are on the 4 month training plan are not runners. I have always run for fun and kept in fairly good shape. I just want to do a marathon, and by the end of the year triathlons. i want to start big soon. i dont want to wait. 

    thanks for your words. 

     

     

  6.  
    twilighthours

    MrMussles,

    I'm only providing my opinion based on my experience. I was a 1/2 marathon runner, but then stopped running anything near that distance for more than a year. I got back into it too hard, too soon, and I went from running 5K (3 mi) to 12K (7.5mi) in one week, all because my lungs felt great.

    The only thing I got out of it was a stress fracture. Then I had to take 2 months off while waiting for that injury to heal. A stress fracture occurs when the muscles get too tired to absorb the repeated impact on the body (like running), and so the bones have to take up the stress instead. Most of us have to train our muscles to absorb this level of abuse by slowly and gradually increasing distance/duration. You may have heard of the 10% rule for increasing distance.

    Anyway, stress fractures, damaged muscles/soft tissue, and heart problems are some of the dangers of ramping up your activity level too quickly.

    I believe you're in great shape. I lot of us are. Maybe you have the right physiology to avoid these types of injuries.

    I've learned that ramping up without a plan is not worth it. There's lots of running to be done in life, and waiting around (while injured) to get back on the road sucks.

    That's my advice.

    If you decide to do it, good luck and let us know how it goes.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberwestconn
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
     
    westconn

    mussel,

     You have no idea what you are in for.  10 miles is 7 miles short of when most first timers hit the wall.  As others have already posted.  2-3 weeks before the marathon is when (for those that have trained the appropriate amount of weeks) most people drop their mileage to rest their legs.  Now is not the time to start kicking up the mileage to "cram".  That being said, there are others that have done what you are trying to do.....and pulled it off.  I would recommend, however that you not plan on doing much for the week after the marathon.

  7.  
    changingground

    mrmussleman

    I wholeheartedly agree with practically everything said here so far. I think you're setting yourself up for injury.

     That said, my running partner ran a marathon on his regular fitness (didn't train for the race specifically) and finished in 5:45 somthing. He ran/walked from mile 14 or so (so far as I recall). He's a pretty fit guy (former Canadian Nationals Team rower) so he know all about hard work and came into the run with an excellant fitness base. He laughts about it now, and still wonders if he did long term damage, but he did do it.

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberAPDuncan27
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
     
    APDuncan27

    You are very likely to get injured, I had a friend do something similar who was also in fantastic shape.  He could not run for 3 months after because of stress fractures.  Just be cause you are in "great shape" doesn't mean your body is in shape to run 26.2 miles.  It has more to do with the fact that your legs are not used to taking a 4 hour pounding, than whether you are in good aerobic conditioning.

     

    If you do it I would probably get 2 long runs (over 15 miles), and try to run 5 or 6 days a week. 

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberBrimGary
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
     
    BrimGary

    As a coach of several runners of differing abilities and distance focus (4 are marathoners) I would strongly recommend that you do not run the marathon.  However since you have already committed to this my opinion most likely means little.

     Runners who are ill prepared for this marathon distance put a strain on the emergency services of marathons, it's those like you that are a race directors nightmare.  I wish you the best of luck and hope you come out of this with a renewed respect for the distance so that in the future, should you ever decide to run one again, you train properly.

  8.  
    changingground
    APDuncan27:

    You are very likely to get injured, I had a friend do something similar who was also in fantastic shape.  He could not run for 3 months after because of stress fractures.  Just be cause you are in "great shape" doesn't mean your body is in shape to run 26.2 miles.  It has more to do with the fact that your legs are not used to taking a 4 hour pounding, than whether you are in good aerobic conditioning.

     

    If you do it I would probably get 2 long runs (over 15 miles), and try to run 5 or 6 days a week. 

    AP- same thing happened when Lance Armstrong ran the NYCM the first time. Excellent CV condition, very pwerful legs, yet ended up with stress fractures.

     Musselman- As for packing mileage into the next two-three weeks, I'd think that you'd be depleting your glycogen stores and actually hurting any potential that you may have...

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberKDogg
    • CommentTimeJan 26th 2008
     
    KDogg

    What exactly is your goal with this endeavor? To finish the marathon? Because honestly, with such little training, that is probably even gonna be difficult to do.

    If I had to guess I'd say this post is a joke, but if its not, then you should follow everyone's advice and don't be an idiot.

    p.s. No type of training at this point in time can prepare your body physically for the marathon, the only thing you could hope to gain is some type of psychological boost.

  9.  
    johnnyjohnson

    It's not all doom and gloom. I decided to run my first marathon with a month to prepare, but at the time I was running and regularly racing in 5Ks at under a 6:45 pace.  My longest run was 12 miles, with two weeks to go. I ran it comfortably at under 8 min/mile. My neighbor, who was an experienced marathoner, and like most of the comments here, thought I was nuts. He cautioned me to take it slow! With that in mind, I decided on a 9 min pace and it turned out to be just right. I kept a nearly steady pace and finished elated, dead tired, with lots of unexpected blisters, and mighty sore for days.

    A couple tips - take regular nourishment, e.g. Goo, at least every hour. It's a good idea to try these things while training to make sure that it agrees with you, but you don't have much time to experiment.  Don't get caught up in the excitement and be tempted to run too fast especially at the start. Take it slow!

  10.  
    mrmusselman

    no this post is no joke.

    after posting this question I do have a 'renewed respect for the distance' and plan to listen to my body every step of the way.

    I am no longer of the mind to run the distance in 3 1/2 hours. 

    I will run one 20 miler probably next weekend two weeks before the marathon to see how my body reacts and will taper from there.

    I am amazed at the feedback here and thank you all for your advice.

     

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberkron
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2008
     
    kron

    just because your are in great shape to run 10 doesnt mean you can or should run 26.2. If I lift weights everyday it doiesnt mean I should go try and bench press 400 lbs. Do the run walk run method and you may be okay. Be prepared for some misery and at least a week or two of no running when you finish.

    • CommentAuthorFree Membergalvanizd
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2008 edited
     
    galvanizd
    Whoa shit... I have pain around my shins (tibia) for the last week or so after running 9K.. I think I should get an x-ray or something.. maybe it's my running shoes?
    twilighthours:

    MrMussles,

    I'm only providing my opinion based on my experience. I was a 1/2 marathon runner, but then stopped running anything near that distance for more than a year. I got back into it too hard, too soon, and I went from running 5K (3 mi) to 12K (7.5mi) in one week, all because my lungs felt great.

    The only thing I got out of it was a stress fracture. Then I had to take 2 months off while waiting for that injury to heal. A stress fracture occurs when the muscles get too tired to absorb the repeated impact on the body (like running), and so the bones have to take up the stress instead. Most of us have to train our muscles to absorb this level of abuse by slowly and gradually increasing distance/duration. You may have heard of the 10% rule for increasing distance.

    Anyway, stress fractures, damaged muscles/soft tissue, and heart problems are some of the dangers of ramping up your activity level too quickly.

    I believe you're in great shape. I lot of us are. Maybe you have the right physiology to avoid these types of injuries.

    I've learned that ramping up without a plan is not worth it. There's lots of running to be done in life, and waiting around (while injured) to get back on the road sucks.

    That's my advice.

    If you decide to do it, good luck and let us know how it goes.

     

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberterrygre
    • CommentTimeFeb 17th 2008
     
    terrygre

    I just checked your time. Congratulations! 4:13:55 with even splits is most impressive considering your training and especially the hot weather. I guess you really were in good shape! How did it feel? Any permanent damage?

    My guess is that you are probably having some difficulty getting up and down stairs about now. After the pain subsides I bet that you will be planning your next marathon to see how fast you can go with real preparation. 

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberSimmoT
    • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2008
     
    SimmoT

    GOOD on you. That is a freak'n good effort.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberterrygre
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2008
     
    terrygre

    ...stress fractures, damaged muscles/soft tissue, and heart problems?

     He must have suffered all of the above if he is now unable to speak to us.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjessic38
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2008 edited
     
    jessic38
    Runners who train for four month are not "not runners" they are called smart runners. I was in amazing shape before I started training for my marathon but that didn't mean I was stupid enough to to just up and run 26.2 with only three weeks of training. Pick another marathon and train properly.
  11.  
    blonderunner

    Although it is highly unadvisable to train for a marathon in 3 weeks, it is possible with a good fitness base (as you can see).  If you “try” this, start out very slow (much, much slower than you think you can) and have a great hydration/glucose plan.  This is one of the biggest mistakes first time marathoners make.  They usually have no plan when it comes to how many ounces of water and/or grams of carbohydrates when. 

    Lora

    www.blonderunner.com