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    Indianspringsguy
    I have been working on all three aspects of training - endurance, strength and speed. This past week, I tried going back to my weight lifting for a total physical program only to realize that my running program was adversely affected by tired muscles for two full days, making me run slow and it was like lifting heavy legs. How do experienced runners deal with the strength aspect? I practice on moderate hills and that helps but I wanted to be more effortless on going up the hills since my first half marathon will be on moderate inclines and hills.   
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberTheU
    • CommentTimeDec 17th 2007
     
    TheU

    I currently lift weights 5 times a week.  It used t be 4 times till i started doing legs workouts about 3 months ago.  I was lifting weights since 1999 regularly, so it's just like brushing my teeth.  I have a pretty well rounded leg workout.  Anyhow, before I started doing legs, my legs had a hard time carrying my weight (220-230 lbs) when i would run.  They felt weak on just the littlest incline, partly because i was really top heavy, but also because i never really worked out on my legs.  So I decided to drop some weight, added leg workouts and what I have noticed is that my legs workouts/weight loss made me a faster runner (Hahaha...simple math).  I've noticed that my legs wanting to get challenged when I run like hills.  However, I just gotta get my lungs up to speed.  So I think after you get used to your lifting routine, you'll feel much more comfortable for your runs.  I'm not sure if you're doing like heavy lifting, but if you are, you may want to try more reps like 15-20 rather than the 8-10.   Running and weightlifting to me is like night and day where one is based on a single burst of energy whereas one is a constant repetitive action for more than a minute. 


    BTW, I lost like maybe 10-15 lbs on my bench since losing the weight.  So expect to gain weight if you just started lifting.

    Let me know what you do as I would like to compare notes and get more speed.  

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberdidgerman
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2007
     
    didgerman
    Indianspringsguy:I have been working on all three aspects of training - endurance, strength and speed. This past week, I tried going back to my weight lifting for a total physical program only to realize that my running program was adversely affected by tired muscles for two full days, making me run slow and it was like lifting heavy legs. How do experienced runners deal with the strength aspect? I practice on moderate hills and that helps but I wanted to be more effortless on going up the hills since my first half marathon will be on moderate inclines and hills.   

     Do you think strength is part of running?

    Strength is measured in one lift, it's your largest amount of weight you can shift, you never use that in running, and certainly not in a half marathon.

    What you're after is power, and the endurance to use that power throughout the race.

    I'm training for a decent HM time myself, and am about to add some weights into the mix: I'll do one heavy low rep set per week, and one low weight high rep set 3-4 days later. If your race is hilly I'd swap the later set for hill training on alternate weeks. The heavy set I'd do at the end of the day, and take the next day off. Work it into your training as you like best.

    Having said all that, the best way to get up hills is to carry less weight up them, so under no circumstances neglect your long slow distance training, that still forms most of your work, right? 

    • CommentAuthorFree Membern_higgins
    • CommentTimeDec 19th 2007
     
    n_higgins

    I wouldn't have said doing weights is terribly important for the ameteur distance runner.  I do weights becasue I'm vein, not to improve my running.  I'm sure the time would be much better spent running, unless that is you can fit the weights sessions in without affecting your running training. After all a half marathon is a test of your running speed, not how much weight you can lift.

     If you've got extra time to train why not mix it up a bit and do a bit more varierty such as extra track sessions or a couple more tempo runs.  What I'm getting at is do more of the hard stuff which we all try to avoid. Doing weights or going to the gym is the easy option I think.

    • CommentAuthorFree Membergetfitfast
    • CommentTimeDec 19th 2007
     
    getfitfast

    n_higgins...

    I tend to agree - lifting weights helps to tone muscle..I use to be a total couch patotoes (though not overweight). I started weights to build muscle - helped - but didn't help tone the waist & abs. So now I run to help reduce the waist and it seems to be working and I do weights to keep muscle tone.

    Though I understand you can't really achieve huge muscle growth whilst pursuing a programme to reduce fat through running..

    Finding time is the hardest. I now do bootcamp twice a week, try and run three times a week and then fitting in weights is hard..but i'm giving it a shot! 

     

     

     

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberDrift
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2007
     
    Drift

    Indianspringsguy,

    Check out this article, it might help.

    http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-238-244--12330-0,00.html

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjacanz
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2007
     
    jacanz

    I use the weights to address specific injury problems I have, to keep them from becoming issues. At the last phase of half marathon training I am down to 1 weights work out a week which is very focussed on glutes, hamstring and upper body . Earlier in the training cycle I will do 2 or 3 weights sessions but as the milage goes up the weight on lower body goes down and the reps go up.

    Also, it comes down to specific training. Weights helps build general muscle strength and helps address muscle imbalances that can lead to injury but nothing trains you for running like running. So you want to get better at hills, you do structured hill training.

    And rest is important! You need at least one day a week of complete rest. I find I need one day rest and one active recovery day to be able to run at my best.

    As always though, your milage may vary. Play with the programs and find what works for you. Stirring weights back in may be best done in recovery rather than as part of a race training cycle

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberAlkoz
    • CommentTimeJan 4th 2008
     
    Alkoz
    Try using smaller weights with more reps. Aim for aerobic exercise using weights. Increase in modest increments. This will help endurance and avoid bulk and tiredness. Also focus on muscle groups which will help running.