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    • CommentAuthorFree Membershiggsyo
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2008
     
    shiggsyo

    Yesterday I was taking my run as usual. I typically run early in the morning, when it is still dark out. I enjoy those runs, with the exception of one thing: cars that drive by with their brights on, completely blinding you! Every time I run this happens and it just pisses me off sometimes.

     I felt like sharing my thoughts. If anyone else agrees, has any advice, or would like to talk about their own pet peeve, please post it here.

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberMishon8
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2008
     
    Mishon8
    1. Dogs that chase after you and bite at your ankles
    2. People who walk side-by-side in groups, block the pavement and don't move aside when they see you coming
    3. Cars that drive close to you when you are out on a rough verge on the open road.
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberBen424
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2008
     
    Ben424

    Shigg,

      Wear a ball cap and pull the bill down low.  Look at the ground in front of you as the car approaches.  The bill blocks the light and you can see where you are stepping.   

  1.  
    fattytriguy

    I also run in the very early morning in Northeast Georgia (seen Deliverance?) and have had the same problems. I run with a tiny LED light that attaches to your finger. It is about the size of a penny and is very bright. I don't like running with it turned on all the time, but whenever a car is coming, I turn it onto strobe and shine it at the cars and usually they will turn off their brights and stay wide while passing.

    Also, people in NE GA just can't say no to another dog (Its only one more) and I'm not sure if leashes have been introduced here yet. So I carry a tiny can of pepper spray in my pocket. I certainly don't want to hurt an animal, but I don't want it to hurt me either. One quick shot of this stuff will teach about any dog to leave you alone.

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberVik16
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2008
     
    Vik16

    I completely agree with the "People who walk side-by-side in groups, block the pavement and don't move aside when they see you coming" comment! In fact, it just happened to me tonight. I ended up glancing the guy with my shoulder and he almost had a startled reaction - which was astonishing given the he had his gaze fixed on me for about 15-20 yards as i approached him. 

    • CommentAuthorFree Membershiggsyo
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2008
     
    shiggsyo

    Ben/fat triathalete- thanks for the advice, I just may try the hat on my next early morning run.

    I also dread those groups that block the pavement. They are typically groups of two-four old women walking with their poofy coats and fanny packs, who just can't seem to mear my panting, and don't even inch over a bit as I'm passing them on the curb/in the mud, etc.

    • CommentAuthorFree Membersodacat
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2008
     
    sodacat
    Surprisedit is scary when the dogs are not leashed, i think the cars just want to be sure they dont hit you in the early morning hours,stay safe,peace  repect your elders, if you are lucky you will be one one daySmile
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberKutzie
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2008
     
    Kutzie
    I absolutely loathe cars that will, under no circumstance, move to the left.  Mostly it's because the drivers are on their cell phones.  Young women and guys in trucks in NE Ohio are the worst.  I can't begin to tell you how many cars I've flipped off because they've run me off the road.
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberdaveh
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2008
     
    daveh
    Heres what you do - when you approach sidewalk hoggers position yourself so that you are directly approaching them and dont budge. At the last minute you can laugh as they jump out of your way - enforce your territory.
    • CommentAuthorFree Membermsubobcats
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2008
     
    msubobcats

    There is a run, my wife walks, that we enter each year in Reno. It is a fundraiser for Drug, Alcohol, Mental Illness. The walkers will spread out each year, with their dogs on a leash. I really love having to play Barry Sanders side-stepping tacklers.

    That is one of my peeves. And yes the lights in the eyes is a bad one. I guess they do not get it.

    Oh yes, yesterdays run, facing traffic, a lady in a big pickup is looking down towards the floorboards looking for something as she slowly edges in my direction. And the shoulder of the road to my left is VERY icy and snow packed. I was ready to take a dive.....

  2.  
    emily johnson

     

    Running on a trail means sharing it with bicyclists. I just wish they would tell me when they were coming up behind me. If they just say "On your left!" I appreciate it so much. Otherwise, I am worried that one of these days I am going to suddenly turn out in front of one of them. 

  3.  
    jonbartolotta

    I agree with all of those peeves.  I think my worst one is when drivers continue to drive 20 MPH over the speed limit even after they see you running on the road.  I usually run on trails but there is too much snow and ice out there right now.  The treadmill gets soooooo boring.  So now I split time on the street and treadmill. 

    The neighborhood where my inlaws live in CT in is a 25MPH residential country road.  There are lots of small hills and sharp turns and still people dirve 45-50MPH (and won't move over just a little for a runner).  How can they see anything on the other side of the curve or hill when driving that fast?

    When ever I see someone who slows down and gives me a wide berth I am always sure to smile, wave and say thankyou as we pass.

    Peace

  4.  
    brady_sullivan

    my biggest pet peeve is running on a high traffic street on the outskirts of town, where the sidewalk has disappeared and the shoulder is wide, but then there is some sort of little bridge over a drain ditch or some tracks and the guard rails go right up to the white line...  no way to stay on the road, and a drop off on the other side of the rail.  i always get stuck coming up to these as i run to the outskirts of town...

    as for problems with people, i have my peeves, but my philosophy is that of self-preservation and showing love instead of expecting respect.  as far as the road goes, it's made for cars, not for runners.  i watch every car expecting it to edge my way and i always try to have an out (never leave yourself without an out, even if it means turning around and going around the block).  in a collision, the car is always going to win...  doesn't matter who was right and who was wrong.  and as far as the sidewalk goes, it is a side"walk", so i think i would give the tie to the walker.  i think we usually see them before they see us anyway, so as soon as i see them, i start making for the path around them instead of waiting for them to move for me.  once i get into that habit, i've had much less stressful runs.

     dogs aren't a pet peeve of mine, they just scare the crap out of me.

  5.  
    runner75070

    Good advice Brady!,

    I agree, it's best to just go with the flow as far as traffic is concerned. Stay out of their way! It's not worth the fight. When cars come to a stop sign or light I run behind them. I also try to cross the street before I get to an intersection when no traffic is present and then switch to the other side after making the turn.

    I'm afraid of Dogs and I loose my cool too often when a dog comes at me and is not on a leash, especially if the owner is around. I've been running for over 25 years and been biten enough to know dogs can't be trusted. Even the small ones. Ugh I wish I had a good answer on that one. I know not all dogs will bite, but I haven't been able to tell. Then ones I least expect are the ones that take a nip at me. 

  6.  
    LadyFingersFred

    My pet peeve is when bystanders to a race that happens to go through residential neighborhoods do the hose spraying or sprinkler thing into the race path.  I don't get too overly "peeved" with them, per se, since this act is well intentioned--they obviously think they are doing the runners a service and I'm sure many runners appreciate the spray on the hot days.  However, I am one of those who would prefer not to get soaked while running (I'm heavy enough and don't need the extra weight or the resultant rubbing from my clothes!). I just wish they would limit the spray to a very small portion of the race path so I don't have to run up on someone's lawn to avoid it.

    I'm also not a big fan of babyjoggers being used during a race.  If they are used, I think folks so inclined should line up at the back of the pack so as to not cause traffic jams at the start of the race. 

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberspun
    • CommentTimeJan 22nd 2008
     
    spun
    I hate when I decide to run on the track at my gym that people do not follow the rules. (ie: they walk on the running side or they walk in pairs so you can not pass easily) Yell
  7.  
    pdxsnowboarder
    My pet peeve are runners, yes .. runners, who hog the sidewalk, trail, road, etc. who do not seem to understand the words "On your (left or right, whichever way I am passing). It is actually amusing at times how some react to those words.
    • CommentAuthorFree Membercc4life07
    • CommentTimeFeb 2nd 2008
     
    cc4life07
    Not really the worst pet peeve but one worth mentioning.  I'm friendly so I like to give a little wave when I pass and I'm going at 7-8 min/mile pace.  Kind of annoying when walkers stare you down and don't return the gesture.  Don't mind if runners do or not but for the most part, they do.
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberpkdong
    • CommentTimeFeb 3rd 2008
     
    pkdong

    Finally a place to vent!

    I'd agree with all the above peeves, but my ultimate pet peeve is when people are running with their dogs and they either:

    a) don't have them on a leash, and the dog ends up stopping / running too close to you or right in front of you, or

    b) they have them on a leash, but runner is running on one side of the trail, while the dog is running on the opposite side (i.e. MY side!). Where the hell does that leave me?!?? Am I supposed to go run in the bloody ditch??!

     Same thing goes for grumpy people on the trail. How much effort does it take for you to acknowledge my "hello" or wave with a wave / nod / smile? Betcha would feel better after doing so!

  8.  
    samuraibep
    I live in an area where I have to assume that the person blocking me on the sidewalk/trail doesn't speak English. I use the universal "beep beep" preceding the "on your left". They ALWAYS move aside, usually while they are turning around to see what's going on, but everyone moves. Sometimes when it's a couple people, they may move in opposite directions still, but I find if I give enough notice, they sort themselves out quick enough and I don't need to slow my pace.
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberemilygk
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2008
     
    emilygk

    Hey! I'm glad to join in on the ranting.

    I can't stand cars going through lights/stops early, or not stopping at all. Driving is a privilege, being healthy is my right! Pedestrians ALWAYS come first (even though not in the case of air pollution. I cycle and still have to inhale toxins). I find cars trying to zoom out of parking lots almost running me over every time I run. Then the driver just smiles at me after realizing (s)he was suppose to stop but luckily didn't run me over.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjadoerr
    • CommentTimeFeb 4th 2008
     
    jadoerr

    All the non-runners tell me to stuff it, but it's so refreshing to be able to get these out! Ding-dong human behavior frustrations I have:

    1) As mentioned, people who scowl in response to your Good Morning or Hello. It's not even friendliness we seek, simple humanity. 

    2) Walking/riding in wide groups that take up the whole path. As they edge you off the pavement next to the sign that says Share The Path; lovely.

    3) Municipal governments that will put their snow-clearing machines in all places but the bikepath, forcing us onto busy streets.

    Dogs don't bug me, the owners are another story. Not yet had a problem with nasty drivers (knock wood).

    be safe everyone! 

  9.  
    kathleenmurphy

    hey these peeves are funny - they are sooo universal but not that we are having to put up with snow in this little corner of the world - New Zealand - but yes we do have crappy drivers who don't care about a runner or cyclist and will continue to hog the whole road. And wow is North East Georgia really like Deliverance - thats scarier than dogs not on a leash me- thinks!

    • CommentAuthorFree Membercc4life07
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2008
     
    cc4life07
    I haven't had problems with dogs in a while, mainly because they'd get run over if they followed me through the streets I run on now but the funny thing about most people I run by is that they tend to look at the ground.  They avoid any eye contact...it is as if I will turn them into stone if they look at me and acknowledge my existance.  O well I guess...
    • CommentAuthorFree Membergpolk
    • CommentTimeFeb 5th 2008
     
    gpolk

    I've spent a lot of time running in the past and now mostly ride my road bike...on the road.

    After years of running I've experienced all of the above including a dog bite, full beer can toss from moving car (it hit me in the arm..no injury) and the usual rude behavior everyone has mentioned above. 

    Still, I'd gladly accept the annoyances and risk from running when comparred to what I"ve experienced riding a road bike.  I've been lucky so far, but it seems like just a matter of time before I am taken-out or run off the road by a car, truck or bus. 

    Before you reply that I can help myself by being a better rider, please know that I follow the rules of the road, both the ones that are law and the others that are safety recommendations by experienced riders.

    If not for the love of riding and bad knees, I wouldn't stick another tire on the road and go back to running in a heart beat.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjohnwking
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2008
     
    johnwking
    Cars being parked on the pavement which means that you cant get by without slowing down.  Otherwise your going to smack yourself on the wing mirror.

    What makes it worse, is Tuesday night when everyone has there bin out for collection and it reduces the pavement even more!
    • CommentAuthorFree Membergaiusrex
    • CommentTimeFeb 6th 2008
     
    gaiusrex
    High beams don't bother me too much because I'm just glad they see me. Safety over comfort wins there. I can't stand people that try to talk to me while I'm running. I have neighbors that start to strike up a conversation. I have people that pull to the side of the road to ask for directions when there are stores and gas stations nearby. When I'm maitain a timed run, I really don't stop.
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    rundontpass
    i once saw a lady at one of my high school invitationals walk her dog IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COURSE! The same year I was in 3rd place in the jv conference meet and the pop warner football coach had his team do drills IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COURSE!  One high school meet, I was almost ran over  by a tractor because the groundskeeper at that school decided to mow the grass IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COURSE! Our cross country team in high school always had this one county park trail set aside for us on saturdays before noon. All of a sudden this arrow comes at us because a guy was bowhunting illegally IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COURSE! This fall I went to a road race where the one water booth was IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COURSE!
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberAnglaH
    • CommentTimeFeb 7th 2008
     
    AnglaH

    I'm beginning to think I'm very lucky living in Oz - there is no snow or ice, heaps of space and drivers are very considerate of both runners and bikes on the roads! 

    For those of you getting annoyed by dogs, try putting a few bits of kibble in your pocket and toss a bit out between you and the dog, say around a metre away from you and off to the side - most dogs will go for the treat and next time they see a runner might give you a happy grin instead of a snap!  The worst thing my German Sheperd ever did was turn around and follow another runner, sticking her nose straight up his bum.  Sooo embarrassing. 

    I think I am the only Australian using this site?  It is fantastic.  I haven't had a stich since reading the advice column and now breathe in only on my left foot strike.  I am only a learner but really enjoy mapping runs and see how far I've actually gone (okay, so the furtherest to date has been 8km, but it is getting easier every week!). 

    Cheers, Ang.

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    wileyokiley
    Hm--in the middle of a New Hampshire winter, I've got to say that one of my biggest pet peeves is the waist-high snowbank that completely covers the sidewalk ( :
    In the same evil little group as the road maintenance crews responsible for the snowbank, are the drivers who make a game out of soaking you with road grime as they zoom past. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten drenched while out running in the freezing cold. Somehow, it adds insult to injury...
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjoshlitt
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
     
    joshlitt

    This time of year, living in the Boston area, where the snow isn't snow for long, my biggest pet peeve is cars that move over so far as to run their wheels through the slush mound in the middle of their lane.   There's nothing quite like getting repeatedly sprayed by icy, sandy, salty slush when wearing tights.

    My other big pet peeve is honkers.  Whether its someone who thinks they know me, or just high school kids having a laugh, a loud and surprising honk will bolt you right out of that meditative focus during a run and make you jump a few feet.

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Membercc4life07
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
     
    cc4life07
    I actually don't mind the honking so much. It makes me think about something else instead of my tired legs or how far/long I have left to go. I'm thinking "did I know that person" or "did he/she think I'm cute" or "I wonder if I can catch up to that person at the next light and jump on their car"....
  12.  
    JollyJogAnne
    My peeve is the honking too. Which typically occurs when I'm running by myself and it's a jarring form of a "cat call". It makes me jump about two feet, and then I feel indignant. I never retaliate, however, because you never know who's crazy and will pull their car over.
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberteayers
    • CommentTimeFeb 11th 2008
     
    teayers
    My peev is when you write a long post and then something goes wrong and it does not get posted.
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    MarathonBroado
    I think my biggest pet peeve is when French farm dogs chase after me, forcing me to increase my pace to a sprint when I'm trying to run at 4:30k pace. They come out of nowhere and just go for me - no sign of their owners either. I've tried lots of different routes on the French side of the boarder, but those bloody dogs are always about. Also, it's not really a pet peeve, but when people look at you like you're from Mars because you're running, I find that a tad odd.
    • CommentAuthorFree Membergmac101
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2008
     
    gmac101

     

    Cars are without a big pain, but when somebody does move out I always give them a wave to say thankyou, it might encourage them to do it for others.  As for walkers on the pavement/sidewalk I think the onus is on us runners to make way. We are moving faster and therefore pose more of a threat to the vulnerable old, young or disabled. 

    What I loath though is the abuse from youths and those who should know better especially when it is directed at women runners.  Though the kid who jumped out at one of the women runners I know trying to suprise her won't do it again. In suprise she punched him (she's an ex army officer) down, how his mates laughed.

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Membermapmyrun1
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2008
     
    mapmyrun1

    What I can't stand is people who run on busy streets, especially early or late when its still dark.  When I'm driving to work at 4am and it's dark and the windows are fogged, there's nothing that makes me crazier than coming over a hill to catch a faint glimpse of a runner who is in the road, running against traffic, wearing black, jumping out of the way and giving ME the finger.

     

    Someday I'm going to accidently kill a 40 yr old mother of 3 and my life is going to be in ruin.  Running in the street should be banned everywhere outside of residential side streets... and then only if there is no usable sidewalk on the street.  You had better be running in the same direction as traffic.  And if it's dark, you better be lit up like a freaking christmas tree.  

     

    Seriously people, you're only running in the street so your neighbors can see you and how amazingly awesome and fit you are. 

     

    Get on the sidewalk or find another place to run.  The streets are for cars.

     

    Note- I am a runner and so far have been able to figure out an infinite number of running routes that don't involve me going on busy streets no matter what the weather.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberbigredrock
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2008
     
    bigredrock

     DIESEL ENGINES !!!!!!!!   NASTY !!!  NASTY !!!!  NASTY!!!! foul smelling, nasty no need for them in the city neighborhoods!!!!!

     

    people who think they're funny by yelling or honking at you as they drive by.

     

    cars that turn in as you're crossing a street.

     

    runners that don't use sidewalks in high traffic areas

     

    people running the wrong direction on a TRACK, don't care about the street, the track only.

     

    TREADMILLS !!!!!!!  RUNNING INSIDE ON A TREADMILL WHEN ITS BEAUTIFUL OUTSIDE !!!!!!!!

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberwestconn
    • CommentTimeFeb 19th 2008
     
    westconn

    Good additions bigred.  The car turning in as you cross a street hits home with me.  In early September of 2006 when I was training for an October Marathon, an oncoming car made a right (no blinker) into the street I was in the midst of crossing.  I was running at a fast pace that day.....so unexpectedly putting on the brakes was a bit of a challenge......not to mention stepping down from sidewalk to asphalt as I realized I was about to get clipped. 

    I was able to pull up and do a bit of a karaoke to the right and avoided getting hit.  However, I badly pulled (ie slight tear) my hamstring in the process and lost several days of training.

    I'm sure the driver was very happy he made it to his destination 2 seconds earlier than he would have if he let me pass.

  14.  
    changingground

    Funny, my rant is for those drivers who assume they own the streets...

    mapmyrun1-

    No, the streets aren't only for cars. Check your uniform vehicle code. It is your responsibility, as a driver, to be sure you can see everything in your path of travel, be they runners, walkers, cyclists, or wild animals.

    Your assumption that people who run in the street only to show off their fit bodies could not be farther off- Many run in the street because they are more visible there. I can't count the number of times I was almost hit, while running on the sidewalk, by someone who was backing out of their driveway and didn't think checking the sidewalk was worth their time. As well, in winter many of the sidewalks are impassible and icy. My best opportunity at a clear surface is in the street.

    And for runners, by far the safest method of travel while on streets is into the direction of traffic- that way you can see what's coming, and get out of the way if they don't see you...

    I agree that nightime runners should be lit up. I run with a headlamp, a blinky clip on tailight, and wear reflective clothing as well. But it is my responsibility to me (and my family) to take these measures- not your job to require it of me.

  15.  
    RickCallaway
    My biggest peeve is when I get to the end of a race and all the donuts are gone and eaten by all the fast people
    • CommentAuthorFree Membermapmyrun1
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2008
     
    mapmyrun1

    changingaround-

    Maybe you're not one of those runners who veers off the side streets onto the main drags.  If not, than this really isn't meant for you. 

    The idea that the street is safer than the sidewalk because you're "more visible" there is about as logical as telling a 5-yr-old to go play in the street.  

    Running against traffic is against the law for a reason, it adds an effective 12-15mph to any potential collision.

    And please don't tell me that this isn't my job.  I'm expressing my opinion here just like everyone else.  If you expect to share the road (or anything) with your fellow man, you're going to have to cool the personal freedom agenda. 

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberlnd1218
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2008 edited
     
    lnd1218

    My biggest pet peeve are people who have dogs that run at me and then yell at me for taking their dog out of the yard.

    I do think it is nice to share some frustrations here.

    One thing I don't understand though - how can it be illegal to run against traffic? That's what I was taught to do (on 55mph roads with no shoulder - but I still do this now on residential 25mph streets).

    • CommentAuthorFree Membermapmyrun1
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2008
     
    mapmyrun1

    It probably isn't illegal.  I made that up. 

    I admit it is safer to go against traffic in most situations, but it scares the crap out of me when I drive over a hill or turn a blind corner to see a runner coming towards me on my side of the road at the last second.

  16.  
    fattytriguy

    Changingground is on the money. Cars that think they own the road drive me crazy.

    While a runner will never beat a car in an accident, they do have the right of way. We have all had close calls with cars, but to be told that it is our fault becuase it is "4am and it's dark and the windows are fogged." That is garbage. It isn't our fault that a person can't start their car 10 min. earlier so that the windows aren't foggy. I run 4 times a week at 4:30 AM because that is the only time I can run. I have one run a week when the sun is up and I can assure you that it isn't so that my 85 year old neighbor can see how sexy I am.

    Rant finished.

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberTS1207
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2008
     
    TS1207

    Sounds strange but my pet peeve are the drivers who give you too much room ; i.e. move into the opposite lane.  I run in a very hilly area of two lane roads and am always afraid the driver giving me so much room is going to hit another car head on coming over the hill.   Just give me the shoulder please, and stay in your lane.  

    Number two are the drivers who look only to the left when making a right turn at an intersection, and roll thru stop signs if they see nobody coming.  After being 'bumped' by such a driver while running on vacation in Las Vegas I've learned you've got to watch the driver to see if they are looking your way. 

  17.  
    jonbartolotta
    Another one I have is when you are in a race and the spectators are smoking cigars.  They have every right to smoke in their own yards but we are trying to exxercise and all os a sudden we run into this big cloud of smoke.  ugh.  If you must smoke, please wait until the race is over.
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberthreeta
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2008
     
    threeta

    aaaaarrrrrrhhhhhhh

     

    my peeve is typing this in twice....

     

     

    the recycling crew who smash the bottles on the road and shower the road with glass.  puncturevill = auckland new zealand  ":-) 

  18.  
    changingground

    "changingaround-

    Maybe you're not one of those runners who veers off the side streets onto the main drags.  If not, than this really isn't meant for you. 

    The idea that the street is safer than the sidewalk because you're "more visible" there is about as logical as telling a 5-yr-old to go play in the street.  

    Running against traffic is against the law for a reason, it adds an effective 12-15mph to any potential collision.

    And please don't tell me that this isn't my job.  I'm expressing my opinion here just like everyone else.  If you expect to share the road (or anything) with your fellow man, you're going to have to cool the personal freedom agenda. "

    And I'm pointing out that your opinion contravenes common sense and logic-

    Fact- Pedestrians have the right of way. Roads are not the sole property of motorists.

    Fact- Comparing a middle-aged runner traveling on the shoulder of the road, watching out for his/her own safety, to a five y.o. child learning to ride a bike is a false comparison, and ignores the point- It is far easier to be seen at the intersection of a driveway with the road than at the driveway/sidewalk intersection because drivers are looking out for things which threaten their safety. This is not a concern of motorist at the sidewalk intersection, and so many drivers do not look there.

    Fact- if we were to limit our runs (or  bike rides) to areas with sidewalks only, we'd have an extremely limited number of options for long runs or rides. And since I have the right to use any surface street I chose as a running route, your discomfort at my doing so means nothing.

    Fact- it is the motorist's responsibility to yield, in all events, to the pedestrian. If you can't operate your vehicle in the safe manner prescribed by law, then hang up your car keys.

    Fact- the moment you lie your whole argument goes out the window. Considering that you're most concerned with maintaning your piece of mind while driving your car with foggy windows, I'm not surprised you'd think that limiting an individual person's freedom is an appropriate response to your fragile nerves.

    Fact- if you're not prepared to have someone point out the errors in your argument, then don't offer your opinion. We are all free to offer our opinions. Putting your opinion up here does not protect you from dissent.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjessic38
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2008
     
    jessic38
    One of these days a dog is going to bite me. Why don't people keep them locked up?

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