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    • CommentAuthorFree Membermalkster45
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2008
     
    malkster45

    In April I started training for a 10k.  While I was in reasonably good shape, having worked out for quite some time, I was not a runner.  I went from 0 to 10k in 7 weeks.  The 10k run went well but it was a really challenging and my legs were really sore afterwards.  I decided to take a few days off.  A few days later, I went for a short run (about 4k) - and two days later did the same.  AFter that, I started experiencing EXTREME knee discomfort... i.e. had serious trouble going downstairs.  I had this problem once before and decided to just take it easy.  After a while it went away on it's own.  I have been doing other things for the last month or so but have decided to get back into running.  My plan is to take it easy - doing shorter runs and i'll build myself back up to 10k over a longer period of time. 

     Has anyone else experienced this problem?  Any advice?

    • CommentAuthorFree Membercacrawf
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2008
     
    cacrawf

    Happening to me too. Similar story. Pain is right behind the kneecap and is usually worst the next morning when I'm sitting on the commuter train for 30-40 minutes, or when I'm walking down stairs.

    It's called "runners knee" and while it can strike anyone, is most common in new runners who add milage too quickly.

     Google for runners knee or "PFPS" and you'll find a lot of info. Standard treatment seems to be cutting milage dramatically, and doing exercises to strengthen the quads.

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberPhinny
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2008
     
    Phinny
    one source can be fatigue not only from too much too soon; but also from other parts of life. usually proper rest and taking it easy will fix it. try to think of fatigue as cumulative 10k hard plus and all nighter plus a fight with your significant other add up.
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberfieldgirl
    • CommentTimeJun 26th 2008
     
    fieldgirl

    You are not alone.  I try to take an aspirin after a long run. Ice knee for 30 minutes following a run...helps with any swelling that may be present. I also take Bio-Flex which is a supplement found at walgreens, CVS etc.. (usually used by athletes and seniors) to help with joint aches and pains.  These combos have seem to done the trick and even on days when i have knee pain going up and down stairs it isn't painful but more stiff which is a huge improvement over time. 

     

    I just kind of stuck it and now it's not bothersome at all! Hang in there.  

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberar8897
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2008
     
    ar8897
    yep.  just got some knee pain myself today halfway into an 8 mile run.... time to break out the ice and cancel my running plans for the next three days.
    • CommentAuthorFree Membermalkster45
    • CommentTimeJun 27th 2008
     
    malkster45
    Clearly I'm not alone!  Thanks for the advice!
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    sineadkeegan

    pain while going downstairs is a classic sign of runner's knee. i've learned this becauses i've been experiencing this knee pain recently as I've been training for my first half marathon. I understand it results from your feet overpronating, and have heard that orthotics can help. i haven't gone this route yet myself, but heard it works for some people - in addition to rest, ice, advil, and quad strengthening exercises. i'll be calling a podiatrist next week. . .

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberRickbuzzin
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2008
     
    Rickbuzzin
    Do you take supplements in your diet like Cod liver oil, Chondroitin sulfate or Glucosamine? Check them out on Wikipedia to understand their benefits - and how they help in Sore Knee complaints for runners. Having practiced Martial Arts for over 20 years and participated in running for many years - I have never suffered the Sore Knee but I have included the aforementioned in my diet - this could be a contributing factor to the good condition of my Joints. Hope this helps.
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberAK22
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2008
     
    AK22

    I was referred to doctor after doctor when I first started running because of unbearable pain and swollen knees. All the doctors decided the only way to really make all the pain go away was to quit running because my patella bone was rubbing against my tendons every time I ran because anatomically, my knee structure is not normal. (aka, I'm not built to run at all)  I def. was not going to give up running, so here are some of things I've tried that have kept me healthy and running long long distances. 

    As stated previously, If you're having serious knee problems, it may be from running so hard because your knees take so much impact from the ground.  Try running on the grass as much as possible as this will prevent a lot of the shock being absorbed into your knees, and it will prevent shin splints.

    You also may want to check your shoes and make sure they're suitable for long-distance running and support.  You may be overpronating, and your shoes may not be helping this problem.  If pain gets worse, I would reccommend going to a podiatrist, who will probably recommend custom-made orthotics, but these can be pricey.

    One doctor did recommend buying McDavid's Jumpers Knee Straps. (about $10 each)   I have these for both knees, and my knee pain is much, much better for such a small band you place around your knee.  The band will help absorb and distribute some of that shock.

    With good running shoes, orthotics, lots of ice baths, and knee straps, I've found a way to keep running with less pain, and I hope you can too! 

    • CommentAuthorFree Membercruzssskm
    • CommentTimeJun 29th 2008
     
    cruzssskm

    Hey Malkster,

    I experience this type of pain from time to time. Last year, during my very first 1/2 marathon, my left knee started screaming at the 11 mile mark and I had to limp the final 2 miles to complete the race!

    I have since learned some less stressful running techniques through the Chi-Running DVD as well as doing up-hill sprints. Look up Chi-Running on-line or at Amazon. My brother in law gave me the DVD and I've been practicing the author's running style for several months. It really helps to understand the mechanics of running in his program and it's very simple to learn.

    My pain has decreased to the point where I no longer feel the pain after any run! I also started doing up-hill sprints to strengthen my legs and that has also helped.

    Good luck with your running.

    Sean

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberlholloway
    • CommentTimeJun 30th 2008
     
    lholloway

    Sean's got some good feedback, the one thing I haven't noticed too much mention of is stretching.  I got runner's knee for the first time after my first half marathon, which I'd built up to nicely, but...

     Doing quad, hamstring and groin stretches religiously really helped improve my situation, along with a number of other things mentioned here.

     Running up hill is particularly effective, not only does it build strength, but you should pay attention to how your foot lands running up hill, more toe less heel, this is actually how your foot strike should be anyway.  Think of running without shoes on, you wouldn't let your heel hit first, you'd run on your toes. 

    Going on here, but these things in combination will often help relieve some of the pain associated with overuse injuries.  Will have to check out Chi Running myself.

     Good Luck,

    Lew