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    • CommentAuthorFree Memberprestopper
    • CommentTimeJan 16th 2009
     
    prestopper
    Hey I'm in 8th grade and im looking to break a five minute mile this track season. The official season hasn't started so I'm running 20-25 miles a week. when the season does start I should be logging 30+. I'm doing some 400s right now and doing a little speed work. any other tips for breaking a 5 minute mile
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberbiglou
    • CommentTimeJan 16th 2009
     
    biglou

    first, you need to start running at least 30 miles a week, maybe even 40...

     Everybody wants to hit a Homerun their first time up to bat, but it don't work like that.  You need to be patient and build up your endurance...

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberleopard87
    • CommentTimeJan 16th 2009
     
    leopard87
    First talk to your track coach.  Determine with him/her what your goals should be and how to achieve them.  This will help you in many ways and coaches love when their team members show initiative.  Plus, as biglou says, increase your mileage.  Most of all enjoy, you've chosen a very fulfilling sport.  Good luck this season.
    • CommentAuthorChampionship Membershipaba0887
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2009
     
    aba0887

    You are starting on the right track doing both long runs and speed are key to meeting your goal.  You should consider doing speed work at just below the pace you want to be able to race at so as an example if your goal is to run a 5:00 mile your goal for the 400m intervals would be at 4:50 pace.  The idea of speed work is to build the endurance you need and the muscle memory of running at that pace.  I would also try to do speed work 2 times a week with some of intervals at the 400m distance and some of the intervals at a longer distance like 800 or 1200 meters to build your endurance running at the pace you want to try to race at.  I do my intervals at race pace with a short jog inbetween running for about 1.5 minutes inbetween each interval early on in my training gradually reducing the recovery time down to only 30 seconds per interval. It takes a lot of time to build the endurance to run fast so be patient with how much you increase your milage, you don't want to start the season with an injury. Don't forget that strenght training, flexibility and rest is ust as important as running the miles each week.  You should consider discussing your plans with your coach as he should be able to help you establish a healthy routine that will get you to where you want to be when the spring track season starts.  Keep up the good work and good luck! 

  1.  
    kiwidistance

    Im 15 and am running sub 5 minute miles i am doing 60 miles a week plus.

    Just be patient you will break the five minute mile in time. Just do lots of distance and your stamina will eventually build up enough that you can do either some reps or tempo runs. Run lots of 800m races, these will build up your speed as well as your stamina. Once you are running sub 2.20 800's you need to do lots of 1500's. Get this time down to 3.30-3.40 and your sub 5 mile will come very shortly.

    In short dont focus on running the mile, focus on the races around it. When it comes to race day WHATEVER you do DONT think about the splits. Just run as fast as you can for the distance.

    Good Luck for the season and you will do te mile quickly dont worry about it.

     

  2.  
    VincentMD87
    One nice thing I've noticed is that although it took me a bunch of tries to break 5min that first time in high school, after that it suddenly became a lot easier to run under 5 and was running sub 4:50 sooner than I expected. I think a lot of it has to do with just building some base strength, because you're young and are going to gt a lot stronger over the next 6 years.
    • CommentAuthorFree Membertomoc
    • CommentTimeJan 22nd 2009
     
    tomoc

    My 2009 goal is to beat my personal best mile time of 5:08 - and if I can do that I am going to do whatever I can to break the 5:00 mark.

    My challenge is I did the 5:08 in 1986.  I turn 40 in February and have started running again to see if I can do it.  I have not run regularly, or really much at all, since the mid-1980's

    The training advice on this forum looks good, I've got lots of advice elsewhere as well, and I'm going to try to do this, I've got a year to break the 5-minute mark. 

    Good luck to you prestopper!

    • CommentAuthorFree Membergagneron
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2009
     
    gagneron

    My main goal is also to run a sub 5 minute mile in the future. What I really want to know is how long do you guys think it will take to do this if my best outdoor track time is 5:40? At 5:40 I'm giving like 99% effort and I can't picture myself running any harder, so I know 5:40 (or maybe 5:35) is the best time I can get at the moment.

    For further info, I'm 22 years old, I don't have much fat on me, and the furthest runs I take are 5 milers at 8min/mile pace and this pace for 5 miles is pretty tough on me right now.

    So will this take 6 months, 1 year, 2 years...longer (assuming I put in maximum effort in training and enough miles per week) ? Also, how many miles should my long/endurance runs be?

    Your responses would be greatly appreciated and feel free to ask questions because I'll be on this forum a lot checking your messages.

    • CommentAuthorChampionship MembershipEmBeeDee
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2009
     
    EmBeeDee
    gagneron - I'm 41, and can run 5 miles at 8min/mile easily (low effort/heartrate), but 6m45 or thereabouts is currently my best for a mile. You have the advantage of youth and strength, but I would definitely say you need to work on your endurance. Increase the mileage (gradually) and I reckon your mile pace will get there soon enough - maybe this year. It would be worth looking at some proper training plans too, there are plenty free on the web. Good luck!
  3.  
    distancerunnerforlife
    It took me about 2 and a half years to break the 5 minute mile (or 2 and a half track seasons I should say) and it appeared to all be a result of intense 2x a week speed workouts.  I would try to do 8x400s at about 1:08-1:12 a clip or 800s at 2:20 a clip.  I also put in about 40-45 quality miles a week, but it all came down to building a solid endurance base and then pushing for that quick interval speed.  When I finally broke 5 (and I teetered at 5:07, 5:04, 5:02 and around there for a while), I smashed it at 4:54 and then hit a 4:45 at my next race. It's also psychological too as it always appeared such a barrier, but you can totally do it.  Work hard and you will break it with flying colors in no time.
  4.  
    EzriStovall
    Only took me 6 months to go from 5:40 miles to sub five -- but it was the two/three times weekly intervals that did it -- 200/400/800 -- with recovery jog between. Three days of long runs (8 to 15 miles) in between speed work. Hovered at 5:05/5:08/5:04, then I ran a 4:32 leg of a 4 man 4 mile relay. Rest of the season I ran between 4:28-4:35... of course this was all thirty years ago... these days I'm a 6:25-6:45 miler in 5k, 10k and half-marathon... good luck
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberprestopper
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2009
     
    prestopper
    Thanks for the advice. I'm at 35 miles per week now and doing speedwork 2-3 times a week. I have my first race on tuesday but I dont think Ill break the mark then but I have meets all the way into mid May so Ill have other chances.
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjksivillo
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2009
     
    jksivillo

    Just my 0.02,  but I would guess that 35mpw should be more than sufficient for an 8th grade miler.  I think we all need to consider your age when thinking about the possiblity of bumping up your mileage.  For all I know, you are a full grown adult, but most 8th graders aren't.  For the sake of your body, I think it would be best to listen to a coach experienced w/ training pre high schoolers.  Personally, I'd like to know that you are running very strongly your Senior Year and beyond and not suffering overuse injuries during an important growth time.

     Again, just my 0.02, as I am sure others have quite valid opinions and experiences to share. 

     Good luck with your mile.  If you are within striking distance now and getting "quality" training, I think you'll do great.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberchiggy_
    • CommentTimeMar 28th 2009 edited
     
    chiggy_

    prestopper - Jksivillo is right about not overdoing it on the mileage, there is plenty of time to get fast as your body matures. But it looks like you are on the right track, thats pretty much what i was doing when i first ran sub 5. In 8th grade I ran about 15 miles per week and ran about 5:20-5:30, then my freshman year ran probably 30mpw with 2 interval sessions and ran 4:45 by the last meet that year.

    gagneron from a quick look at your training log it looks as if you run 2-3 times per week at at 2-6 or so miles each, correct? The consistency appears to be the limiting factor here not distance, but as consistency goes up so will the mileage.
    This is how i would go about it if i were in your shoes.
    - First i would start running more times per week, almost all at a fairly comfortable pace. At this point consistency is more important than distance, so the longer runs arent necessary just yet. Getting up to 5 runs a week should be good.
    - After doing this constistently for a while (it depends on how prone to injury you are how long) i would start to increase the distance of my runs. These increases should be done gradually of course over some time. Also dont skip a run just because of some soreness (soreness usually does not equal over training). Pain in connective tissue or bone is a completely different story. You can throw in a long run here and there too.
    - After increasing weekly mileage to whatever level you are shooting for i would stay there for a couple weeks.
    - add some semi-stuctured workouts a few times a week (fartleks, hills), make sure to take an easy day the day after (meaning easy run not day off, unless you really need it) 
    - your regular runs should have gotten faster at the same effort level and should be getting much closer to 5 by this point but if you havent broken it yet then it would be time to add some track intervals. (400s, 800s, 1000s, etc.) and since this is getting long thats where ill stop.

    Again this is just what i would do, off the top of my head, and is lacking details.

    • CommentAuthorFree Membergagneron
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2009
     
    gagneron
    Thanks to everyone for your advice!

    chiggy- Your comment is very helpful. I appreciate you looking at my training log, although I'm kinda embarrassed that I got caught being lazy and inconsistent with my running lol. I'll definitely stop finding excuses for taking days off and start getting 5-6 runs in per week.
  5.  
    skialpental

    By no means am I a professional runner but this is my 2c.

     So this track season I broke 5:00 at 4:58 something. To do this I realized the mile was not a really long distance. So my approach and what I recommend is doing lots of 400's and especially 800's. Also, hills and pyramid workouts could benefit greatly. Do keep in mind that after hard interval and short distance workouts relax the next day with an easy run.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberthrice13
    • CommentTimeMay 12th 2009 edited
     
    thrice13

    Your best bet to get a sub 5 mile is to first get yourself into shape. Run every day (or if you're just starting out, every other day) at a comfortable pace and at low mileages (think no more than 3.5 - 4). After a few weeks, you can begin to increase the mileage (and I emphasize) SLOWLY to not get yourself hurt. After about 1.5 - 2 months, begin to throw in fartleks or hill workouts once or twice a week to build up strength and endurance. By now, your mileage should be a little higher (5 - 7 miles per regular run) and your average mile time dropping. Think running longer, comfortably, and quicker. At around 3 months, I would add speed work (start at 1x a week and go for an easy long run the next day) and double your speed workouts the second or third week (again, with easy, long distance runs the following days). The speed work could be done on a track, measured trail, or open field in a number of ways.

    - Ladders of 200/300/400/800 or 200/400/800/1200 or something along the lines of that. Go at about 90% pace for each one, and jog in between for about 3 to 5 minutes or longer (and work your way down from there until you're going about a minute after each). After a while, you can start doing ladders where you work your way up and down.

    - Hills - where you sprint up at 90% pace for each one. Start at the bottom, and go up, then jog back down. Once you hit bottom, turn around, and repeat. I would try to find a hill that is about a quarter mile in length and do anywhere from 4 to 8 sprints.

    - Distance sprints - Find a large open area (preferably a nice field or trail without any obstacles). Do repeat 800s or 1200s up to a mile loops. Try to do them at around 5:30 to 6 minute pace, with short jogging breaks in between. Try to do about 3 to 5.

    These are some of the workouts that I know worked for me, and that we did from high school through college. Best of luck!

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