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    • CommentAuthorFree Membermonte48
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2007
     
    monte48
    can anyone give some specific training tips on how to increase my pace
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    JuliusDegesys

    Good question, monte48. First off, realize that I'm no expert at running. However, I've been an athlete for a while, and it seems like you've encountered a plateau--i.e., your body has become accustomed to doing the same thing and is no longer being strained. This means that while you're able to sustain your current pace pretty easily, you probably are having a tough time speeding it up for any extended amount of time. (Let me know if I've misinterpreted this)

    The only way I've found to break through these plateaus (with weights as well as with times) is to completely mix up the types of exercises that you're doing. I'm a big fan of stadiums and swimming. What you'll probably find is that these different exercises get you tired pretty quickly--even though you can go much longer in running. What gives? The idea is that you're using different muscles that are not as well developed or the same ones but in a different way. This means that your heart needs to work harder to achieve the same results. Now, while these might not help increase your normal pace by themselves, they should increase your cardiovascular system, which will allow you to start trying to up your pace when you run.

    If you don't have access to a pool or stadium, another great training strategy is running intervals. Mark off certain segments in your usual run where you have decided ahead of time to pick up the pace. Choose reasonable goals at first. I found two spots of about 500 yards each that are about 1/3 and 2/3 of the way through my run where my natural stride is just slightly shorter than the sidewalk blocks. In these spots, I really focus on keeping one stride per block. To do this, I need to push off harder and run faster.

    At first, I was dead and could barely get back up to my normal pace afterwards. But after doing this a few times, I found that it was getting easier and easier. Now, I find that I'm actually maintaining that pace for longer and longer with each run. As you can imagine, this is really helping with shaving off time.

    In short, I think the best bet is variety. Mix short distances with long, jogging with short bursts of sprinting, running with swimming or biking, or whatever makes working out enjoyable, and you should find yourself breaking through that plateau and onto the next level : )

    • CommentAuthorFree Membertanggolf
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2007
     
    tanggolf

    I don't have anything original to add to Julius' comments but wanted to put in a plug for intervals...outstanding training technique.  After a proper warm up and a few minutes into your run go at about 75% of a sprint for a certain time (15, 30, 45, 60, 90 seconds depending on your conditioning level) and then back off to 50% or even walk for a period of time (at least same amount of time).  I can't tell you what the proper times should be for you (go by feel and heart rate) but I'm a 40 y/o, 7:30 pace runner, and I shoot for 60 second sprint/60 second walk.  I do this about every third run for about 4 miles.  You cna also do this on a treadmill going from say, 9 mph for 30/60 seconds to 6mph for 30/60 seconds (3-4 mph if you walk).  

     Great technique...try it!

  2.  
    Spinman1964
    Thanks for sharing these tips.  I've been wondering if internval running/walking would be beneficial.  This helps answer that question.
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjmk
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2007
     
    jmk
    I use the short burst techniques, which I am told are called fartleks. I pick up my pace as fast as I can manage for a minute. I seem to get good results, and you can add that to your training log since it is a "mapmyrun"-training technique.
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberNasher
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2007 edited
     
    Nasher
    I'm going to put in another vote for intervals/fartleks. I found them great to pick up the speed & endurance.
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    npkoutdoors

    Intervals and fartleks are very good to use in training to get faster. a couple more ideas that have helped me are tempo runs and hills.

    Tempo runs are a distance of 2-5 miles at a sustained pace that is faster than your normal or recory run. A tempo run is similar to race pace. If you train at 8min/mile pace on a normal run try to run 2 miles at 7min/mile pace. It is almost like racing because it gets your leg speed/turnover quicker and it also helps you to work on your breathing.

    The other workout I like to do is hill repeats. This is just another form of intervals. Warm up to a hill that is about 150-300meters long with a moderate grade. Then go up fast working on proper form and technique. Then use the downhill as your recovery. Repet 4-8 times.

    One thing you remember is also stretch before and after each run. Also warm up before and cooldown after every hard/interval run.

     

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberScousegit
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd 2007
     
    Scousegit

    I have found a great way to improve my speed and/or get over a plateau is to do some speed work, something which I dislike

    I prefer to run outdoors however a treadmill is ideal for the following as you are not able to cheat on the speed.

    Run 400m/200m/100m at given speeds.

    400m @11kph( I think the 11 on a treadmill is 11kmpm)

    400 @ 12 kph

    400 @ 13kph

    Rest a minute

    400@12kph

    400@13kph

    400@14kph

    Rest a minute

    400@13kph

    400@14kph

    400@15kph

    I take a short rest inbetween each 400 and a longer rest between each group of three.  Repeat the above with 200m and 100m.  It is a killer but well worth it.  This reminds me I have not done this for a while.

     

    Good luck 

     

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberrevert510
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2007
     
    revert510
    Thanks for asking the question, these are great tips.  I've just recently started running longer distances and have found myself plateauing a bit as well.  I'll definitely give intervals a try.  How long should I expect to wait to see results?
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberNasher
    • CommentTimeAug 30th 2007
     
    Nasher
    You should see them quickly. I think after 2 weeks I saw an improvement.
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    TheFlyingDutchman

    Do your training in Phases of about 8 to 12 week cycles.

    build up endurance long running short long short not all long

    then go into fartlek and speed training

    then hill reps

    speed work

    Read Artur Lydiards book RUN TO THE TOP and some of Pete Phiztingers material Wink

    • CommentAuthorGold Membershipjeff@mmf
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2007
     
    jeff@mmf

    Congratulations!  This topic has been selected as our discussion of the month for August.  monte48, we'll be in touch via email to get your address to send you your free MapMyRun tech shirt.

    We'll be selecting our next discussion of the month winner in early October. 

    • CommentAuthorFree Membermanfredw
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2007
     
    manfredw
    tanggolf:

    I don't have anything original to add to Julius' comments but wanted to put in a plug for intervals...outstanding training technique.  After a proper warm up and a few minutes into your run go at about 75% of a sprint for a certain time (15, 30, 45, 60, 90 seconds depending on your conditioning level) and then back off to 50% or even walk for a period of time (at least same amount of time).  I can't tell you what the proper times should be for you (go by feel and heart rate) but I'm a 40 y/o, 7:30 pace runner, and I shoot for 60 second sprint/60 second walk.  I do this about every third run for about 4 miles.  You cna also do this on a treadmill going from say, 9 mph for 30/60 seconds to 6mph for 30/60 seconds (3-4 mph if you walk).  

    Great technique...try it!

     Tanggolf, I think your strategy is the way to go. It is similar to recommendations in many of the sport magazines and I remember reading an article in Men's Health (check out http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=fitness&category=cardio.activities&conitem=b8b0049e3a655010VgnVCM100000cfe793cd____)

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Membergogoodygo
    • CommentTimeSep 30th 2007
     
    gogoodygo
    In addition to all of these great ideas, you can find a training partner.  We all need someone to push us once in a while when we can think of a couple million things we would rather do than train.  If I have someone to help hold me accountable for my results (and for theirs) it is extremely beneficial.  Not to mention the extra cardiovascular work you get from talking to your buddy while running could help you break through the plateau in its own right.
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberNasher
    • CommentTimeOct 1st 2007
     
    Nasher
    And of course, to test yourself there's nothing like the pressure of a race - I've done nothing all month by way of training but on Saturday ran a fun mixed relay locally. The positive pressure from running "against" some good friends and on a team with another is a great way to pull the best out from yourself Laughing

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